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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

  1.  Why does Southern California need a highway advocacy group?  Don't we have enough highways here?

2.  Shouldn't we accept the fact that we cannot build our way out of congestion?  Every time a new freeway is built or widened, it just fills up with traffic.

3.  Many transit advocates claim that public transportation has not been given a proper chance to meet our needs.  Buses are underfunded and do not go where people need to go.  Rail transit is just starting again but still does not come close to having a comprehensive system like our road system does.  Shouldn't we let rail/bus systems "catch up"?

4.  It sounds like you are saying that transit has been a failure.  But look at the new Metro Rail systems in Los Angeles County.  The Blue Line is enjoys the highest ridership of all light rail lines in the nation.  The Red and Green  Lines have also been very successful as well.  It would appear that these rail lines have taken a number of people off of the freeways, right?

5.  Fine.  People like to drive their cars as evidenced by the high levels of auto usage you cited above.  But cars pollute, freeway building causes significant environmental impacts, and promotes undesirable sprawl development.  We need to discourage auto usage and encourage more compact land-use designs that are more transit friendly.

6.  All of this sounds good.  But where are we going to get the money to pay for it?  I read somewhere that California already suffers from a $110 billion+ deficit in transportation funding.  Gas taxes do not seem to keep up with needs, toll roads are controversial, and people just don't seem to want to do anything about it.  It seems impossible.

7.  What about such issues as "quality of life", "liveable communities" and "Smart Growth"?

8.  So what can we do?  Politicians talk and interest groups fight.  But traffic gets worse and worse every year.  And nobody is talking about it or doing anything about it.

1.  Why does Southern California need a highway advocacy group?  Don't we have enough highways here?

A common misperception is that Southern California has too many freeways and highways.  Indeed, the region has quite a comprehensive system that will get you wherever you need to go.   However, Los Angeles County ranks near the bottom of major metropolitan areas in terms of freeway miles per capita.  No wonder we have such crushing congestion!! There are more and more people trying to crowd onto the same number of freeway lanes.  It is a recipe for disaster.  Other counties (Orange, San Diego, etc.) have done much better than Los Angeles but still face a shortfall of freeway lane mileage.

There are many groups in Southern California alone that advocate for more transit projects.  Yet less than 3% of trips (based on passenger miles) take place on transit; the rest of us use the freeway, highway, and arterial road system.  And few people have been willing to step forward to speak up for our roads.

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2.  Shouldn't we accept the fact that we cannot build our way out of congestion?  Every time a new freeway is built or widened, it just fills up with traffic.

No!  We should not just accept this so-called "fact".  The RPPI (Reason Public Policy Institute) notes that 

"It is often said that "We can't build our way out of congestion." However, it IS physically possible. "Build it, and they will come"--the it being extra road space and the they being cars--is true in conditions of congestion-caused latent demand. But latent demand could be satisfied if the supply of road space were increased enough, since demand for road space is not infinite. If demand were infinite there would be no free-flowing roads at all."  ("How to "Build Our Way Out of Congestion--Innovative Approaches to Expanding Urban Highway Capacity", Peter Samuel and Robert W. Poole, RPPI, January 1999).

RPPI really states it best here.  Freeways fill up today because the system is always running behind the demand.  Had we kept up with the original freeway plans developed by Caltrans in the mid-20th Century, congestion would hardly exist now.  Instead, we build barely 1/3 of the originally conceived system, while our population has grown quicker than even thought at that time.

Today, we cannot just give up on building freeways, even in already built up areas.  Of course, it will be expensive and controversial to do so and such ideas have not been discussed for decades.  But with a population in Los Angeles County of 9 1/2 million right now and expected to grow to 13 million over the next few decades, now is the time to address these issues.  The question is not "Can we afford to do so?".  It should be, "Can we afford not to do so."

In addition, we would not have to build forever.  Much of the growth will occur in what are now remote areas (Antelope Valley, Inland Empire, Ventura County, etc.)  So if we close the gaps and put in the freeways we need in the urbanized areas, we could fix most if not all of the problem for all time to come.  

To correct this problem in the future, we also need to secure rights-of-way in planned urbanized areas before new development takes place.  But this is getting more difficult due to the unreasonable demands placed by environmental and some transit advocate groups who are determined to do anything to stop freeway building and auto usage.

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3.  Many transit advocates claim that public transportation has not been given a proper chance to meet our needs.  Buses are underfunded and do not go where people need to go.  Rail transit is just starting again but still does not come close to having a comprehensive system like our road system does.  Shouldn't we let rail/bus systems "catch up"?

Fair question.  There is some truth to this.  Because transit is such an expensive undertaking, requiring large government subsidies, transit agencies have struggled just to keep enough buses on the ground to meet the needs of the transit dependent and other persons wishing not to drive.  It is interesting, however, how these same transit agencies are investing billions (with a "B") into rail projects that only serve a fraction of transit ridership.  No wonder that even many bus riders in LA County have lobbied against rail!

It should also be noted that rail did have its chance in the early 20th Century via the Pacific Electric trolley system.  This system did cover much of LA and Orange counties with a network of lines.  However, when the automobile became more available and affordable to the everyday citizen, people flocked to use it instead, desiring the convenience and flexibility it offered.  Many "conspiracy" theories have been offered, claiming that GM and other auto manufacturers purposely pushed the Pacific Electric out of business.  There are various views on this.  But there is no question that the rail line's days were numbered anyway as ridership fell quite quickly.  Freeways and roads were only built because people demanded them; they weren't built to hope for  demand as are rail lines today.

We should continue investing in transit systems today for those who want and need them.  But under two conditions.  First of all, funding should be more in line with actual and reasonable predictions of usage.  Today, transit receives a huge majority of funding in Los Angeles County and a sizeable portion of the transportation budget in other Southern Californian counties despite continual low ridership levels.  This short changes the 97% of us who drive and must subsidize those who can't or won't.  Second, transit users need to pay more of their own way.  Although subsidies of some sort will always be needed, they should be minimized for all but the poorest of citizens.  Everyone else needs to pay more of their own way.

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4.  It sounds like you are saying that transit has been a failure.  But look at the new Metro Rail systems in Los Angeles County.  The Blue Line is enjoys the highest ridership of all light rail lines in the nation.  The Red and Green  Lines have also been very successful as well.  It would appear that these rail lines have taken a number of people off of the freeways, right?

Not exactly.  It is true that rail systems have been more successful here than in many other states.  Surprising too since Southern California has a strong "auto" culture.  However, these rail lines have done nothing to alleviate congestion on the roadways they parallel.  Consider the following rail lines and the freeways that parallel them:  Red Line--101 Fwy; Blue Line--710 Fwy;  Green Line--105 Fwy.  These freeways are more congested today than when these rail lines started operating.  It is probable that a few people left their cars behind to jump on the new rail lines.  But most of the ridership was just taken off of old bus lines that were cancelled to prop up ridership on the rail line.

Did we get our money's worth?  Hardly.  Los Angeles County has spent more than $7 billion on these 3 rail lines alone.  That does not count ongoing operating subsidies that will be required for the life of these projects.  And more money is being spent to build light rail to Pasadena and East LA.  And a serious proposal is underway to build a line to West LA using the abandoned Exposition Blvd. rail line.  

Contrast this with the just over $5 billion that Orange County has spent under its Measure M sales tax to widen and improve its freeway system.  Today, many Orange County freeways operate at near free-flow conditions even during rush hours.  Other freeways have had congestion significantly reduced as a result.  Most Orange County residents have expressed satisfaction with the results of Measure M and enjoy a higher quality of life as a result.  On the other hand, LA County has two half-cent sales taxes (as opposed to one in Orange, San Diego, San Bernardino, and Riverside Counties) and has done little to improve its freeways other than a handful of carpool lanes  As a result, Los Angeles County freeways endure worse congestion year after year, despite the fact that its residents have paid twice as much in sales taxes for transportation.  This does not appear to have been a good investment for Los Angeles County residents.

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5.  Fine.  People like to drive their cars as evidenced by the high levels of auto usage you cited above.  But cars pollute, freeway building causes significant environmental impacts, and promotes undesirable sprawl development.  We need to discourage auto usage and encourage more compact land-use designs that are more transit friendly.

When you think about it, all kinds of activities that we do pollute.  Buses pollute.  The electricity used by trolley cars is often generated by coal-burning stations.  Every time we flush our toilet, cook a meal, turn on our lights, or eat a hamburger, we are causing unavoidable impacts to the environment.  It would be desirable in the long-term to have cleaner burning cars that contributed less to air pollution.  Few would probably disagree on that point.  But the technology does not exist in an advanced enough form to make this cost effective.  In the meanwhile, sufficient highway infrastructure is vital to our region's economy, its ability to attract and keep good jobs, and to allow people to have a commute that doesn't leave them frustrated and tired by the time they get home.  Truckers also depend on our roads to move freight in and out of our region.  The Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach are among the busiest in the world.  Rail can handle some but not all of this freight.   Failure to invest in our highways will cause shipping companies to divert their shipping elsewhere, hurting our economy.  Our best and brightest minds will also leave for cities such as Phoenix, Dallas, and Houston that have invested more in their infrastructure.  

In terms of freeway building, once again, nothing is without impacts.  Not even a new rail line is built without impacts.  But these impacts can and have been reduced.  Current laws require extensive environmental mitigation and studies before a road project is built.  A key example of a road building agency being a good neighbor to the environment is the Transportation Corridor Agencies (TCA) in Orange County.  The TCA has so far built 3 major tollways that have won several engineering and environmental awards.  The TCA has gone above and beyond the call of duty by providing hundreds of acres of new open space, wildlife undercrossings, and funding for environmental projects and foundations.  And yet extreme environmental groups still fail to acknowledge and appreciate this.

"Sprawl" is an ugly-sounding and misleading word.  All it really refers to is the natural outward growth of a metropolitan area in response to natural population growth.  Los Angeles and vicinity is no exception.  Growth means that our region is seen as a desirable place to live.  We should be worried if growth ever stops.  Being seen as an attractive place to live helps us recruit the top minds, companies, and government projects to our region.  Sometimes we take for granted the infrastructure and underlying factors that have contributed to our economic success here in Southern California.

It should be also noted that Orange and Los Angeles Counties are the second and third most dense counties in the state, respectively, after San Francisco County.  Los Angeles County is much more compact than the oft-cited Portland, OR metropolitan area which has a restrictive urban growth boundary and spends nearly all of its money on little-used rail transit.  Los Angeles should be the model for other cities to follow, with respect to advocates for compact development.  The region has just grown so much in population that naturally it has extended outwards.  Natural boundaries exist with the Pacific Ocean and mountains but growth will continue in the Antelope Valley, the Victorville/High Desert Area, and much of Riverside, San Diego, and Imperial Counties.  Environmentalists should encourage growth here in Los Angeles because otherwise people will move to undeveloped farmland in the Central Valley, the Sierra Nevada mountains, and other areas.

Despite this dense development, people prefer to drive their cars.  Cars provide 24 hour on-demand door-to-door transportation on a much more cost efficient basis than transit ever will.  Also, people in Southern California generally prefer the suburban type development that has taken place here.  The national trend according to the latest census shows that the population is moving westward and southward.  Metropolitan areas like Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas,  Dallas, Houston, Orlando and others are gaining rapidly in population.  Ironically, these metro areas also enjoy large amounts of lower density suburban housing and comprehensive freeway systems.  Conversely, older cities such as New York, Boston, Washington DC, Philadelphia and others like them have either lost population or have only had very slow rates of growth.  These cities are more transit oriented and have freeway systems that are less developed than the newer Western and Southern cities.  We cannot force people to live in compact, transit-oriented environments unless we resort to a more dictatorial form of government.  This is something that hopefully will never happen.  Other than that, our market system is at work and suburban, auto-friendly metro areas are still more popular than ever.

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6.  All of this sounds good.  But where are we going to get the money to pay for it?  I read somewhere that California already suffers from a $110 billion+ deficit in transportation funding.  Gas taxes do not seem to keep up with needs, toll roads are controversial, and people just don't seem to want to do anything about it.  It seems impossible.

It does indeed seem impossible but it shouldn't be.  The money is there; our government just isn't always using it properly.  Pat Brown built our freeway system in the 1950s using a much lower percentage of our tax dollars than we have to fork over today.  Many people don't realize that a portion of our gas taxes, paid by motorists alone, are diverted out of the Highway Trust Fund and into money-losing and underused transit programs.  The 97% + of people who drive are massively subsidizing the 3% who don't.  Transit usership is growing little to not at all which means that are subsidies aren't even yielding the hoped for benefits.  We believe that all vehicle use taxes should go to benefit road building.  Transit fares should benefit transit capital investments and operating expenses.

Most counties in Southern California have a sales tax to benefit transportation.  This has worked wonderfully for such counties as Orange, San Diego, Riverside, and San Bernardino.  But Los Angeles County, as noted before, spends most of its money on transit, with any available highway money going to "transit-type" HOV lanes.  Nothing to desperately needed mixed-flow lanes or new freeways.  That means 97% of people in Los Angeles County who regularly use their cars to get around are not getting anything back for what they pay in.

Toll Roads work.  They are a substitute for gas taxes because those who use the roads pay for them.  The Toll Roads in Orange County (State Routes 73, 133, 241, and 261) have been very successful in attracting users.  This despite the fact that parallel freeways such as Interstate 5 and State Route 55 have recently been improved.  We tend to frown more on toll lanes (also known as HOT or High Occupancy Toll Lanes) which lanes that HOV vehicles can use but single-occupant vehicles must pay a toll for.  This is inherently unfair since our tax dollars went to build that lane and that whole freeway.  It would be more acceptable if revenues from the toll lanes went to new road improvements; unfortunately, such revenues often are diverted to transit or "express bus" services as is the case in San Diego County.

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7.  What about such issues as "quality of life", "liveable communities" and "Smart Growth"?

Essentially, these words are used by many environmental and transit advocate groups to convince people to stop most if not all growth, development, and suburban land designs.  They have done a good job of taking control of these phrases.  But think about it.  What is a "liveable" community?  What is "Smart Growth"?  Does everyone like compact, transit-oriented downtown areas?  If so, then the demographic trends of our nation aren't showing it.  Look at "liveability" and "quality of life" in another way.  Sure, we'd all like lots of open space, pristine rivers and forests.  But most of us live in urban areas for the dynamic lifestyle it offers and for the job opportunities here.  So we make some tradeoffs.  We can and should preserve some of this open space for us and our descendants.  But some of these extremist groups want to halt all development or want to cram us into Manhattan, New York style skyscrapers without regard to how people feel about it.  Even in Portland, Oregon, the "pioneer" in this kind of plan, residents are beginning to resist densification once they realize what this means.  Unfortunately, all too often it is too late, leaving residents with the choice of accepting it or moving out.  And many are moving out.

We need to consider the consequences of a no/slow growth policy and of a policy that blocks needed road improvements.  Consider our current energy crisis which is largely caused by the lack of power plants and other energy-related infrastructure.  Too little too late we are paying the price for our lack of investment.  Sooner or later we are going to wake up to the fact that we have to improve our highway system as well.  And the price will only continue rising.  Meanwhile, other business-friendly cities like Phoenix are soliciting our Californian companies to move there.  And these businesses are seriously considering it.  What advantage does Southern California have when our lights go out and our freeways don't move?  Phoenix, for example, has made massive investments into its freeway system and has plenty of power to spare.  The possible loss of those jobs would be devastating to our region and would cause a real measurable decrease in our "quality of life."

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8.  So what can we do?  Politicians talk and interest groups fight.  But traffic gets worse and worse every year.  And nobody is talking about it or doing anything about it.

We as citizens can do plenty.  Nothing will change until we stand up and demand that it does.  Write editorials to your local newspapers.  Write letters to the governor, your county supervisors, and your local state legislators, congresspersons, and our state senators.  Even write a letter to the President!

But we have to do more.  We have to vote out those officials who don't respond to our needs.  We can use the California initiative process to pass new propositions to force these changes when our government leaders will not act.

As was mentioned earlier, few people are standing up for the needs of motorists.  In California, one of the best champions of the needs of motorists is Senator Tom McClintock (R-San Fernando Valley), but there are many others.   We need to make our voices heard to our elected officials, we need to join together to make this work, and we need to keep up the pressure until it is done.  Together we can succeed.

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